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With more than 150 questions answered by professional songwriters, this is one of the "meatiest" sections on Lyrical Line! Each page highlights ten questions that link to the answers below.

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51 Future in writing strictly lyrics
52 I'm ready to start marketing
53 Standard Operating Procedures
54 Sticking to proven song forms
55 Rating importance of rhymes
56 When to stop rewriting
57 Songs about famous people
58 Staying on topic
59 You DON'T sell your songs
60 Poetry and songs


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51 Future in writing strictly lyrics?

QUESTION:

If I write strictly lyrics, do I have a future in the songwriting business?

ANSWER (by Paul Zollo):

Yes. As a lyricist. This is something I have addressed already here -- you will have no success trying to market your lyrics just as lyrics -- you need to find a collaborator who can set your words to music. Once you have completed a full song -- words and music -- you can then make demos of your songs, and attempt to market them as songs. The fact that you wrote only lyrics and not music is not a problem --many great lyricists have had stellar careers writing words only, not music --but this success is directly related to the fact that they teamed up with a great composer or composers. Sammy Cahn is one of the most famous songwriters of all time, yet he wrote only words, not music. Teaming up with Jimmy Van Heusen and Jule Stein and other great composers allowed him to transform his lyrics into great songs. Or he would use his genius with words to write lyrics to existing melodies. Similarly, Bernie Taupin has written countless classics with Elton John but also has written fine songs with other composers, such as Martin Page. As a lyricist you are in the fortunate position of being able to come up with something composers desperately need: words. I am someone who writes both words and music, but have found that there are more composers in need of lyrics than vice versa, and I have collaborated with many other songwriters in this regard, generally writing lyrics to their melodies, or lyrics that they set to melodies. So you certainly can have a very full career as a lyricist --but it all depends on your ability to find a good collaborator.

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52 I'm ready to start marketing

QUESTION:

Hi Paul,

I'm just starting out. I made a demo CD last year for my friends, containing 13 original songs. Right now I have about 70 songs altogether. I have "copyrighted" the CD (i.e. mailed myself a registered copy of a tape, here in Canada), and now I have a Web page (http://www.netcom.ca/~mcook) set up and I'm ready to start "marketing".

How do I go about:

1) protecting the copyright?
2) finding a publisher?
3) getting people interested in individual songs?
4) getting paid?

Thanks,

Mike Cook.

ANSWER (by Paul Zollo):

Hello Mike. Well stated and organized question. And a big one, I might add, as it covers many different areas.

First of all, copyright. I will admit I am not well-versed in Canadian copyright law. In America, the author of the songs owns the copyright as soon as it is put into a "fixed form," which means a tape or notated manuscript. That copyright needs to be registered with the Library of Congress by filing a PA form. Mailing yourself a sealed envelope doesn't generally hold up in court and will not protect the copyright. You would be best to register the copyright and that will afford you the protection you need. If --and I hope this doesn't happen -- there is a copyright dispute, you will then be able to use that for proof of authorship.

To find a publisher, get the excellent Songwriter's Market 1999 book published by Writer's Digest book -- it gives you very sound information on each publisher, and you can call the ones that are interested in the style or styles of music that you write in, and see if they will allow you to send a tape, or meet them in person. It is the job of the publisher to get your songs recorded. You can also try to get songs yourself to artists, but this is a tough thing to do --- better use of your time would be to attempt to get one or more publisher interested in your material, so that they will put their time and effort into getting your material recorded. Don't get me wrong -- this isn't easy. But this is the way to go. If a publisher likes your songs and wants to get them recorded, and then actually succeeds in this endeavor, then you get paid by earning performance royalties on these songs, which are paid for the public performances of your songs (as if they receive radio play) and mechanical royalties, which are paid for the sales of records.
Good luck.

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53 Standard Operating Procedures

QUESTION:

I am a lyric writer with copyright. I now am ready to try and get my lyrics to music artists. How do I get to the actual performer (e.g.. Madonna, Celine Dion?) and what if any are the standard operating procedures?

Diana Hill

ANSWER (by Paul Zollo):

Please refer to previous questions/answers about making a career as a lyricist. If you write words, you will have no probable success sending these lyrics to music artists such as Madonna. For one thing, Madonna writes her own lyrics. Before you send anything to anybody, you have to determine which music artists write their own material, such as Madonna, and which ones do accept outside material, such as Celine Dion. But before you even need to be concerned with that, you have to find a collaborator who can supply music for your words, therefore creating a SONG, and then make a demo of that song and get that demo to publishers.

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54 Sticking to proven song forms

QUESTION:

Hi Paul... I've appreciated your forthright and useful answers to the previous questions on the web site. My question:

There are song forms that are used again and again (12 bar blues, for example, or country songs with a I, IV, V turnaround). While some songwriters get outside those "nine dots" and produce great songs, they are often ignored by the record companies and never make the charts.

Do you recommend that beginning songwriters stick to the "proven" forms of songwriting to start out?

I wonder if Joni Mitchell would have had the luxury of producing such diverse and innovative stuff as she has if she had not already had a following. It's tough to tell a starving artist to produce what is unlikely to sell.

Dan <-- "stroking the star-maker machinery behind the popular song"

ANSWER (by Paul Zollo):

Hi Dan. That line, by the way, is "stoking the star-maker machinery," not stroking, which suggests a whole different dynamic.

This is a huge question and not a simple one to answer. You seem to suggest that songs written in traditional and conventional song forms are not liable to be good songs, and I would disagree. Almost all of the greatest songs that we know were written in conventional song forms, by that I mean verse-chorus-verse or verse-verse-bridge-verse or similar structures. Even songs that were quite experimental when they first emerged , such as Lennon/McCartney's "A Day In The Life" or "Strawberry Fields" still utilize traditional song structures.

How a songwriter uses these structures is an entirely different issue, and has to do with the experience and talent of the songwriter. But often we have seen that, as Krishnamurti said, "Limitation creates form." The very limitations of these structures forces the songwriter to be creative within them, and songwriters from the Gershwins through Dylan and beyond have shown us abundant ways of writing great songs within these forms.

Even Joni Mitchell, who like Dylan has written what I consider to be extended songs, in that they have six or more verses as opposed to the usual three, is using convention song structures. She's stretching and expanding these structures --and has come up with enormously inventive and brilliant music and words to use within these structures -- but still will rely on the familiar use of the repeating chorus, for example, of the verse that has a single melody that is applied to a series of different lyrics.

Part of this issue has to do with who you are writing songs for -- are they for yourself to sing or for a different singer? If the answer is the latter, that you are a non-performing songwriter, then it is important for you to realize as I think you do that you are in a highly competitive, commercial field, and that publishers are looking for songs that will make money for them. This generally means that a more formulaic song, one that doesn't attempt to stretch the boundaries of songwriting, might very well have a better chance of getting accepted by a publisher than an experimental, artistic song. Publishers are often looking for something imitative, something that sounds like something currently on the charts.

Therefore my recommendation would be, first of all, to write that which moves you, so as to learn the elements of songwriting. There is no way to learn how to be a songwriter except for doing it. Then, after you've got many songs under your belt, and this includes finishing bad songs too -- they are often stepping stones to good ones -- then you can concern yourself with marketing these songs. And if at that point your aim is to get other singers to do your material, you must determine if any of your existing songs are commercial enough for a publisher -- which means a big strong hook on the title line, and other formulaic songwriting techniques such as a big build in the verse that releases in the chorus -- and if you have no songs that are that commercial, you can then decide if you want to attempt to consciously write commercial songs, which does mean being aware of the formulas. If your aim is to be an artist, regardless of if anyone records your songs, then feel free to stretch the forms all you like. If you are a starving artist, get a job!

Songwriters need to eat -- this is important -- so don't depend on songwriting at this point in your life to made you money. Hopefully that can happen for you, and maybe happen sooner than later. But in the meantime, make sure you have some kind of work so as not to starve. Songwriting is not a get-rich-quick kind of profession, and if you are coming to it for that, look elsewhere. But if you can support yourself through what can be a trying process -- attempting to market your own songs --then at least you'll have a fighting chance.

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55 Rating importance of rhymes

QUESTION:

How do you rate the importance of rhymes in lyrics ?

ANSWER (by Paul Zollo):

They are extremely important. There are great songs with no rhyme schemes whatsoever, such as "America" by Paul Simon and many others. And there are also many great songs that use false rhymes. But there are also countless songs that benefit tremendously from the use of good rhyming, like much of Dylan's work. And as Dylan told me, rhyming can be fun. And it can trigger lines that might not have ever been born were it not for the attempt at a rhyme. A wise songwriter learns everything about the use of rhymes --both masculine and feminine rhymes.

I tend to be a stickler for real rhymes -- meaning that rhyming GIRL with WORLD just doesn't make it. But as Jackson Browne said, you can only rhyme "unfurled" with "world" so many times, and according to him meaning and impact is more important than the use of a true rhyme. Jimmy Webb, who I was happy to interview again just recently, stresses the importance of real rhymes in songs. And then he goes on to admit that he has written one of the most famous false rhymes of all time, from "Wichita Lineman" "And I need you more than want you/And I want you all the time/And the Wichita Lineman is still on the line." This is a good example, as is Dylan's "Shelter From the Storm" and most of Randy Newman's songs, of a good use of a false rhyme. I would tend to avoid these if possible --but sometimes striving to get a perfect rhyme is not the most important element. So it comes down to each songwriter to decide for yourself how important rhymes are. But all songwriters would be well advised to pay attention to how the greats have used rhymes --and see if you can do it yourself. Because a great rhyme adds a beautiful completion to a line that nothing else can replace. And the use of inner rhymes, another issue altogether, also adds a great richness to lyrics.

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56 When to stop rewriting

QUESTION:

When do you know when the lyrics for a song you're writing are final. How do you know when to stop rewriting and rewriting and rewriting?

ANSWER (by Paul Zollo):

You don't. That is a hard one. Often songwriters have said that it was a deadline that made them finish a song. They simply ran out of time. I think what it comes down to is asking yourself this question: Is there any element at all in this song that could be better? If the answer is yes --whether it be words or music, the song is not done yet. When people just start writing songs, there is a triumph to finishing any song. But as you write more, you realize that only your greatest songs are going to be of any value. So if you can improve it in any way, you should. Rewriting is often not fun, but it can be the most important factor in separating the good songs from the great ones. Many great songwriters, such as Dylan, have rewritten their songs even after they have been recorded.

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57 Songs about famous people

QUESTION:

What are the legalities in selling a song about a famous person and using their likeness on the packaging?

ANSWER (by Paul Zollo):

The legalities are complicated. Like most legal issues, this is not a black and white area. It has to do with the issue of whether you are exploiting that person or not. To write a song as a tribute is one thing, but to then use the person's image on packaging is entirely another issue. It also has to do with who the person is and if they are still living. Writing a song about Myrna Loy or Houdini can be less problematic than writing one about Madonna or David Letterman, for example.

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58 Staying on topic

QUESTION:

When we write songs(my band I mean), we always seem to run out of things that go along with what we are trying to say. It's not easy to start with because we are alternative, and we write ridiculous songs. Like this song we are trying to write now is called Bob Dole and it's about, well, you guessed it, Bob Dole. My question is how do we stay on track with what we are trying to say?

ANSWER (by Paul Zollo):

I think some people have more talent for coming up with abundant lyrical ideas than do others, and you might simply want to work with other lyricists. I do think it is very important that when writing you do what Randy Newman suggests in my book -- Never let the critic become bigger than the creator. What this means is to do it --write every idea down you have --brainstorm -- and do it in a way that is not self-critical. If every line you come up with is shot down because it sounds stupid or meaningless, you won't get anywhere. So you have to let the song lead you sometimes --let the music lead you and suggest words that fit. Do you write the music first? Are you writing lyrics first? Also - before settling on a theme, like Bob Dole, you might want to give more thought to a subject -- is this something you can write a whole song about? I am not saying there isn't a song to write about Bob Dole --I think there are many that could be written about different aspects of who he is, what he's like, what people think about him, etc. One mistake I have made when trying to write a song about an actual person --and I have written many of those -- is to try to tell their whole life story in one song. It is better to write about one part of their lives --the more specific you can get, the better. And for specifics, I suggest research. Go on the Internet, look up every article you can about Dole, and pore over those for any phrases or events or ideas that might be there. You might be surprised with what you find. Good luck.

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59 You DON'T sell your songs

QUESTION:

A few singers are interested in buying my songs and the copyrights. What steps and forms do I need to begin the selling process and what is the price range I should sell a copyrighted song for?

ANSWER (by Paul Zollo):

NEVER EVER sell your copyright. Your copyright to the song is proof of ownership and authorship of that song. You can get your song published, in which case a publisher essentially buys all or part of your publishing rights to the song but you always retain your copyright. Otherwise somebody is essentially buying authorship of the song from you, and if the song goes onto to earn money in the future, you will receive no royalties at all. If singers want to record your songs, fine, but they have no right or need to buy your copyright.

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60 Poetry and songs

QUESTION:

I want to submit my published poetry for consideration in songwriting. I do have a music attorney. He informs me that I need music with it, which means hiring a songwriter.

ANSWER (by Paul Zollo):

Wrong. Not hiring a songwriter. It means finding a collaborator who writes music. And composers need lyricists as much as lyricists need composers. People often think that if they write poetry, that poetry can be turned into a song. But song lyrics are different than poems, they are meant to be sung. The singability of the words and phrasing is as important as any other element. So you need to concentrate on writing song lyrics --words that will work within the framework of a song. However, if you do wish to hire a songwriter as opposed to finding a collaborator, please give me a call.

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61 Lyric first, riff first, chords first, track first, melody first?

QUESTION:

I don't know about you, but the way I write songs is by coming up with a riff/progression on my guitar, then write a melody with lyrics that fit over that. How do you do it?

ANSWER (by Paul Zollo):

Every way there is. Lyric first, riff first, chords first, track first, melody first, music and words together, etc. As time goes on, songwriters try every method there is. And none of them are easier than others. If you have found one method that works for you, then by all means keep doing that as well as you can and write as many songs as you can that way. Sometimes I find that when one method does not work for me, it's beneficial to switch around to spark some new ideas. Writing songs in different ways, just like writing them on different instruments, can lead you in new directions.

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62 Do I really need a publisher?

QUESTION:

I plan to simply write and sing my own songs and self-distribute a professional, finished product (in other words, the DIY route). But if another artist asks if he/she can record a song of mine, it's no problem with me as long as the song is copyrighted. Unless really necessary, I wouldn't need a publisher. Am I correct?

ANSWER (by Paul Zollo):

You can always self-publish your own material. There is no obligation for any songwriter to have somebody else publish your songs. However, there are also certain benefits in having an outside publisher, if that publisher can get your songs recorded more than you can by other artists. If you do self-publish, you will of course retain all publishing rights to the song and will ultimately earn more money if the song is successful, either by yourself or by a different artist.


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